Sunday, March 1, 2026

Uncut 2007 09

 

“George was the ringleader, he could do whatever he wanted” – the formation of The Traveling Wilburys
 
Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne, Jim Keltner and more recall the "great days" of the ultimate supergroup

“When I got there on the first day, as I walked through this long backyard sloping up toward the studio, I heard the sounds of acoustic guitars playing softly, and I could hear them singing. When I got closer, I could see they were all on the front porch, three of them sitting on this swing and the other two sitting on the rail of the porch. That’s when it hit me. ‘Wow, look at this crowd – Bob, George, Roy, Tom and Jeff.”
Jim Keltner has played drums with Lennon, Dylan Clapton, Jerry Garcia, the Stones, Brian Wilson, Pink Floyd and Neil Young. He is not, you suspect, easily star-struck. But as he talks about his first day as drummer with The Traveling Wilburys in 1988, it’s clear that here was a band to astonish even the most seasoned LA pro.
The Traveling Wilburys had more star power than any supergroup before or since – the presence of Bob Dylan, George Harrison and Roy Orbison guaranteed that. With ELO maestro Jeff Lynne and Tom Petty filling out the line-up, and Keltner sitting in as “Sidebury”, they were simply too good to be true.
“It was an amazing thing, and from that moment it just got better and better,” continues Keltner.
“It was a little incestuous,” Petty admits, “but we all liked hangin’ out a lot before we had a band, and we were playin on each other’s records, so it all dovetailed nicely.”
Petty and his Heartbreakers had spent nearly two years backing Dylan on several legs of his endless tour. While they were in England, Harrison and his friend, Lynne, came to see them several times. Not long after, Lynne coaxed Orbison into the studio tostarton comeback LP Mystery Girl; he then put that on hold to produce Harrison’s Cloud Nine, before continuing work on Orbison’s album and also producing Petty’s Full Moon Fever.
Lynne introduced Petty to Orbison, and the three co-wrote Roy’s hit, “You Got It, the same day. By the start of 1988, the five future Wilburys were thick as thieves.
But even with all those interconnections, The Traveling Wilburys would never have been born had Harrison not got the itch to be in a band again. And when your first band was The Beatles, vou don’t want to be half-assed about the second one..

OLIVIA HARRISON: George had those intense moments in his career when it was absolute bedlam, so there were times when he craved solitude, but he also loved being with friends.
JEFF LYNNE, aka OTIS WILBURY: We were three-quarters of the way through Cloud Nine, and every night, as we were relaxing with a few drinks after mixing a big epic or whatever, George and I had the same conversation: *We could have a group, you know?” “Yeah, we could.” He didn’t like the idea of being a solo guy – that’s what he told me. He was never comfortable with it. He wanted a group, and, of course, George could do anything he wanted.
BARBARA ORBISON: George was the ringleader and had the vision for The Traveling Wilburys. The others were his cohorts and playmates.
TOM PETTY, aka CHARLIE T JR: There were some really good, long-lasting friendships in that band.
“THIS ISN’T JUST A B-SIDE, GUYS….”
Harrison’s plans for the Wilburys take shape as he slowly corrals the talents of Dylan (Lucky-Boo), Lynne (Otis-Clayton), Orbison (Lefty) and Petty (Charlie TJnr), with George himself rounding out the Wilburys as Nelson-Spike. The name Wilburys came from a slang term, apparently coined by Harrison and Lynne, for their way of rectifying gaffes made during the recording of Cloud Nine – “We’ll bury [Wilbury] them in the mix.”
BARBARA ORBISON: Jeff had a real commitment to finishing [Roy Orbison’s] Mystery Girl because it had taken a long time. Jeff wanted to do it, Roy was waiting for Jeff, and then Jeff called and said, “Look, I ran into George Harrison. He needs me to do an album; is that OK with you?” And Roy said, “Yes, just do it, but then come back.”
So when we finally hooked up, George had just released Cloud Nine, and he said toJeff, “I need you to produce a B-side for Germany.” And Jeff said, “Roy has already waited a long time, and he has to deliver this record to Virgin. I can’t leave the studio.”
Then George said, very cunningly, “What are you doing tonight? Why don’t you bring Roy to supper?” At dinner; George stated his case, and Roy said, “Well, Jeff, you have to help him.” And George said, “Roy, what are you doing tomorrow?” He said, “I’m just with Jeff in the studio.” So George said to Roy, “Why don’t you come along?” Then George got up to phone Bob.
PETTY: I lived not far from Jeff in those days, and he and George would come over and we would play guitars and drink beer or whatever – a very nice time. Then George stored a few guitars at my house so he’d have some instruments in LA. He came by after going out to dinner with Jeff and Roy to pick up his guitars. He said he had a B-side to make, and he had a chord progression. So he said, “We’re gonna do it out at Bob’s. It’s the only studio I can get in. Why don’t you come along and play with us?”
I said yeah, and it felt pretty natural because we I were all hanging out anyway. Jeffand George roughed out the music in the afternoon, and Bob I actually barbecued chicken for us. While we ate, we all sat around throwing lines out, got the lyric I done, sang it and cut the track. And that became “Handle With Care”. George came up with the title from a road case.
DON SMITH, ENGINEER: “Handle With Care” was finished at Westlake Audio [in Hollywood]. I had worked with Tom a lot, so he called me to come by, and just oversee what was going on. I recorded Roy’s vocal cos he hadn’t done it yet, and Tom overdubbed the harmonica because Bob didn’t want to come down to the mix.
And then George overdubbed his vocals. The whole thing was just for a B-side, so it was no big deal, and we were in there just having fun. And then, all of a sudden, it’s six o’clock the next morning, and they’re like, “Whoa – this is really good. You know what? This isn’t just a B-side, guys.”
PETTY: George had the track done for a week or so. Then he came over again and he was really I excited. He said, “Let’s do nine more of these and have a band!” Right after that, George and Jeff and I drove down to Anaheim, where Roy was playing, to ask him to be in the band. After the set, we went backstage to see him.
We threw everybody out of the dressing room and we told him, “We’ve got this band and we want you to be in it.” He said that he’d do it, and we drove home really happy, going, “Roy Orbison’s in our band!” Then George said, “I’m gonna be the manager, and let’s not tell any record companies or anything until we’re done with the record.” So it was really unofficial.

“BOB WAS THE PREZ, BUT GEORGE WAS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE THING…”

In keeping with the ultra-casual vibe of the group, The Traveling Wilburys decided to record DIY-style in a home studio Dave Stewart had installed in the guest cottage behind his home in the Encino Hills. They had nine days in May to write and record nine more tracks, after which Dylan and Orbison would return to the road.
PETTY: Dave was just another pal, and he wasn’t using his studio, so it was just a natural place to go. Plus, George could stay there.
LYNNE: There wasn’t really a studio per se, or even a room that was like a studio, so we used the kitchen for all the rhythm tracks, with all of us on the acoustics. It was always meant to be played down as a bit of fun, so it was perfect.
OLIVIA HARRISON: George stood outside the house in the bushes on the first day of the sessions and waited for everybody to drive up so that he could film them arriving.
PETTY: When we got there every morning, we would sit around bleary-eyed with tea and coffee and cigarettes – we were all smokers then. Very few times did anybody come in with much of an idea, so we’d have to just pull it out of the air.
JIM KELTNER: I stayed around a couple of nights just to watch them write, and it was one of the most hilarious things I’ve seen, to see Dylan saying all these silly things. But they were having fun, and it was amazing to watch them.
PETTY: We’d start out every day in the living room of the main house, tossing lines out. Bob usually had something, and I’d throw in a word. He’d go, “Tweeter and the monkey man were hard up for cash”, and I’d be like, “They stayed up all night sellin’ cocaine and hash”, then he’d have the next one.
We’d go back and forth and record it all onto a cassette, and then go back through it and write the best lines down. So it was me and Bob on that number; but on all the numbers, really, the lyrics were brought in for everyone’s input. Jeff might have a line, and the next one might’ve been from George. Sometimes someone would finish someone else’s line, or a key word might lead us into another line.
SMITH: I walked through the living room while Bob was writing “Tweeter And The Monkey Man”. He’s sitting there with a yellow pad, and he goes, “Hey, Don, do you know the name of a town in New Jersey?” I said, “I’m not getting paid that much.” Bob started laughing, because why is Bob Dylan asking me anything about anything? I didn’t know this until the album came out, but Bruce Springsteen called Tom and went, “Why did you do that to me?” If you listen to Bob’s lyric, it’s really about Springsteen.
We’re in the control room going, “Holy shit – how could he put that many words in such a small space?” Only Bob can do that kind of shit.
KELTNER: George would hand me a camera and point to something, and he’d look at me to see if I was shooting. Later on, I’d come in the room, and he’d say, “Fuckin’ Keltner – here he comes with a camera again.” That was George’s little joke. He was a funny cat, man – playful. It really shows on the Wilburys stuff; he had a ball with that.
SMITH: On the second day, there was a big fight in the kitchen between George and Bob, because George wanted to photograph everything and Bob was against it. But then Bob went to the opposite extreme: “Don, take a picture of this!” I’d say, “I’m trying to get the sound,” and Bob would go, “No. Come take a picture of this.” So half the stuff you see in the DVD (which accompanies The Traveling Wilburys Collection) is because of Bob.
KELTNER: People do not know how funny Bob is because he’s not like that in public at all. With the Wilburys, he was very relaxed, and he loved George a lot. George was fanatical about Bob – George knew some of the lyrics that Bob had forgotten. Stuff like that was really fun to watch. Bob was the Prez, and everybody knows it, but George was really the key to the whole thing.
PETTY: We wanted to write one specifically for Roy. George said to Roy, “You’re known as the lonely guy from ‘Only The Lonely’; what if you had one where you’re not alone any more?” That’s where “Not Alone Anymore” came from.
With “End Of The Line”, which is one of my favourites, George started it out on the piano, going, [he sings], “Well, it’s all right”, and in a little while the whole room was , singing, “Well, it’s all right”. And then I worked on those verses with Bob. It was an interesting way to write songs, and a lot of fun to do it that way. I think all of us enjoyed having the weight spread around.
SMITH: One night we decided to take a break and get something to eat, and we went to this sushi restaurant in Encino. You can imagine what it must have been like to be sitting there eating dinner and see Bob Dylan, George Harrison, Roy Orbison, Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne walk in the door: It was like whoosh – the air went out of the place.
OLIVIA HARRISON: Everybody came to Friar Park [George’s mansion in Henley-on-Thames] to finish the record. Bob still had some vocals to do, and Roy still I had to sing “A Love So Beautiful” for Mystery Girl. One of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had was sitting in the control room listening to Roy Orbison singing his heart out.
ON DECEMBER 6, 1988, three weeks after the US release of The Traveling Wilburys Volume 1, Orbison died of a heart attack aged 52, but he lived long enough to see the album zoom up the charts. Mystery Girl, released the following February, sold more than a million copies in the US.
LYNNE: Doing the Wilburys record meant a lot to I Roy, especially when it got to be a success… and just then he died. I used to think, what a tragedy, him going now. We could have written more great ones like “You Got It” – that was my plan. Of course, it wasn’t to be. And then I realised, ‘Well hang on, you got to know him and be really close to him for a year. I had always hoped to meet him one day, but to be his close pal and his producer was just a wonderful experience for me.
PETTY: We were really glad that we got to write his last hit with him.

“WE WERE HAVIN’ A BLAST. NOT ONE DAY WAS LIKE WORK!”

Rumours at the time suggested Del Shannon might replace Roy Orbison, but the four surviving Wilburys reconvened to record their second album, the whimsically titled Volume 3, at an estate sitting at the highest point in Beverly Hills.
LYNNE: Somebody found that it was for rent. It was really a fortune, but we thought, ‘We’ve done all right – why not?’
PETTY: We had a big flagpole with the Wilbury flag on it. Even from Sunset Boulevard I could look up and see that flag up there.
LYNNE: We’d already done it before, so the second album didn’t have that amazing newness. And, of course, Roy wasn’t there.
KELTNER: The second album was even more fun for me because we played live. The drums were set up in a part of the foyer where they sounded good, and the guys sat in a semi-circle facing me. That was one of the most enjoyable moments of my life, playing with Bob and Tom and George and Jeff.
OLIVIA HARRISON: I stayed at Wilbury Mansion during the second album. I was upstairs and they were recording right below me, so I’d sneak down the back stairs and try to be unobtrusive.
PETTY: It was great having George Harrison as our lead guitarist – very convenient. Thank you, God. He was just the best fellow we ever met.
PETTY: We got into an incredible run of music there, and we were havin’ a blast doin’ it. Not one day was like work. It was all just very natural.
LYNNE: It was a fine time, a wonderful experience.
KELTNER: The whole thing was just a ball. Those were great days.




The Legend Speaks - Jim Keltner

 

Wednesday, February 18, 2026

David Forman - Who You Been Talking To

 
 
David Forman - Who You Been Talking To
High Moon Records HMRCD022 (2026)




Track Listing:
1. Who You Been Talking To
2. A-Train Lady
3. Thirty Dollars
4. Painted In A Corner
5. Let It Go Now
6. Midnight Mambo
7. Little Asia
8. What Is So Wonderful
9. We Both Talk Too Much
10. Losing
11. Now That I Told You





Personnel:
Jim Keltner - Drums
David Forman - Vocals, Piano, Hammond Organ, Guitar
Flaco Jimenez - Accordion
Jack Nitzsche - ProducerArranger, Fender Rhodes, Percussion
Bobby King, Edna Wright, Sidney Barnes - Backing Vocals
Earl Turbinton - Bass Clarinet
Tim Drummond - Bass
David Lindley, Fred Tackett, Ry Cooder, Scott Mathews - Guitar
Sid Sharpy And The Hollywood Strings - Orchestra
Steve Douglas - Woodwind

 
 
 

Friday, January 2, 2026

Post-session with Jim Keltner and Jason Scheff

 

 
 
 
 

Where Drummers Dare

How Jim Keltner heightens suspense across a galaxy of styles
 

Jim Keltner has drummed for everybody from Bob Dylan to Steely Dan to Ry Cooder; he drives a lot of the better rock albums you own even when he goes uncredited. His cunning discretion colors two of this year's better CDs (Lucinda Williams and Neil Young). Studio musicians pride themselves on anonymity. Hal Blaine, the great '60s drummer, played on sessions for the Byrds, the Beach Boys, the Monkees, and many others. Yet solid as he was, you'd be hard pressed to figure out which tracks he did or didn't play on. His job was crucial: in a single session, reading sheet music for the first or second time, he laid down a rhythmic bedding against which the others defined themselves. A crack session ace like Blaine is the canvas to which producers add paint.

But there is a breed of session player that stands apart. These musicians cultivate a recognizable sound, and add nuance to projects that might otherwise sound flat. Jim Keltner, a top studio drummer for the past 30 years, has power, subtlety, and good taste. If his name appears on a recording, it's a good bet you'll want to hear it.

Keltner started to gain stature as the Beatles were breaking up, when he met up with his hero Ringo Starr at The Concert for Bangladesh, where they gleefully double-drummed (a terrifically difficult task). Session players are in the service industry; they have to accommodate every imaginable style to suit every employer taste. Keltner does this while constantly refining his cunning, discrete sound. This past year he colored two such distinct sessions you'd never guess the same player was behind them both: Lucinda Williams' Essence, and Neil Young's Road Rock. (A partial list of the sides Keltner's played on in the past season includes Jon Brion's Meaningless, Peter Case's Blue Guitar, The Charlatans UK's Wonderland, Cracker's Garage D'or, Dion's Born to Be with You, Neil Finn's One Nil, and Rufus Wainwright's Poses.)

To begin with, Keltner's "time" is both fluid and firm. "Time" is that elusive steadiness all drummers seek, so elusive that many producers simply hook up a "click track" to a drummer's headphones and make them play along to a digital metronome. It's a big part of what makes today's slick contemporary sounds so stiff. "We never used a click track in the old days," Ringo Starr once said. "We did okay." Through the infinitely subtle way he controls the beat by pushing and pulling against it, Keltner can make a click track sound like a human pulse: steady, yet flexible. (The other great click track wizard is Rolling Stone Charlie Watts, with whom Keltner collaborated on an ambitious but ultimately out-of-reach project last year).

Keltner's drumming is poetic; however simple, his patterns always send off more than one message at a time. On Williams's "Get Right with God," his patterns rise above the typical bass, snare, and hi-hat clichés; he gives you something to listen to beyond mere rhythm, without drawing undue attention to himself. This track would challenge any drummer to give the static rhythm a sense of shape, movement, and purpose. Keltner creates curves in the sound, gives the others a sense of where to land, and which accents can work as pivots. Half of the pleasure in listening to him lies in the sheer confidence he inspires from the others, including Williams's raspy vocal. The other half lies in the ongoing sense of anticipation he creates, the aura of the unexpected that hovers in the air even when nothing special is happening.

A show-off drummer would have enough trouble toning down for a Lucinda Williams session—her songwriting calls for interior moods. But to hear the same Keltner bash his way through a thrilling set behind Neil Young makes you marvel at how much his ears embrace. Even when he starts soloing behind Neil Young's ravenous guitar in "Cowgirl in the Sand," a song you thought you were familiar with, he traces an intangible line between utter control and utter abandon. The challenge here is completely different: to make yet another live Neil Young effort sound fresh through songs that have become second nature. Keltner's choices here are uncanny: he's not pushing the music forward so much as pulling it more into itself, like the whirlpool at the center of a vortex. He can lope along with the song's lopsided verve, awash in its dismay, and then build to refrain-ending flourishes that have no right to fit into the small spaces he squeezes them in. As barbed and chaotic as Young's guitar playing is, you can get just as many thrills from Keltner's tidal control and release.

When Neil Young appeared on the "Tribute to Heroes" telethon on September 21st [2001], he sang John Lennon's "Imagine" with a fearsome tenderness. That was Jim Keltner on drums, supporting the song's vast ambition with a decisive rhythmic spine, the same way Alan White did on the original session. When singers want deeply felt definition, contour, and color from a stickman, they know who to call.
 
 
by Tim Riley 



 
 
 

Thursday, January 1, 2026

Amjad Ali Khan & Joe Walsh - Prayers

 

 
Amjad Ali Khan & Joe Walsh - Prayers
Universal digital (2021)



Track Listing:
1. Goddess
2. Healing Love
3. Hope (We Shall Overcome)





Personnel:
Jim Keltner - Percussion
Amaan Ali Bangash - Sarod
Amjad Ali Khan - Sarod, Vocals
Ayaan Ali Bangash - Sarod
Davey Johnstone - Guitar
Ed Roth - Keyboards
Joe Vitale - Keyboards
Joe Walsh - Guitar, Producer
Leland Sklar - Bass
Michael Thompson - Keyboards
Nathan East - Bass
Satnam Ramgotra - Tabla
Stewart Copeland - Percussion 





Live From My Drum Room E254

 
 
 
 

Saturday, December 20, 2025

Jim Keltner Drums For Rock Royalty, Including Paul Simon, Eric Clapton. But You Don’t Know His Name

 

 

Jim Keltner is one of the best studio drummers in the world, having recorded and played with John Lennon, Eric Clapton, John Fogerty, George Harrison, Neil Young and Simon & Garfunkel. But few outside of the music business know his name, and he’s okay with that. He told me he has never sought the spotlight. In our exclusive interview series, Keltner discussed many things, including his early influences, relative anonymity as a popular musician, involvement with the “12 Drummers Drumming” charity auction for veterans with PTSD and Cream drummer Ginger Baker’s African influences. Here, in Part 1, we focus on two of the most famous talents he has had the pleasure of working with: Clapton and Lennon. Following are edited excerpts from a longer conversation.

Jim Clash: The list of those you have recorded with reads like a who’s-who in the music business. Let’s discuss some off them. How about Eric Clapton?

Jim Keltner: That’s a special case [laughs]. I wish this unbelievable stuff [his anti-vaccine stance] hadn’t happened. What Eric has done to himself is something nobody seems to be able to explain. And he is not explaining it, either, which is the worst part. He’s just doubling down. I hope he can find a way out. But it doesn’t change my opinion of the man. I can’t tell you how much I love Eric, one of my very favorite to play drums with, an unbelievable guitar player. He also is a great singer. When he connects with a good song, like any good artist, you can’t go wrong.

Cream was one of my favorite bands of all-time, just like about everybody else. Jack’s [Bruce] singing was incredible. Anytime you put on a Cream record, it sounds great, feels great, never seems dated. But Eric didn’t like his own singing back then. In fact, we were at lunch one day, between sessions working on one of Eric’s albums, just sitting around talking about our favorite Clapton eras. I joined in, said mine was Cream. Eric just looked up and said, “Oh, f’ck off,’” in a funny way, of course [laughs].

Delaney & Bonnie And Friends really helped launch a bunch of us. For me, it started a relationship with John [Lennon] and George [Harrison], unreal. Eric fell in love with our music, and we opened for Blind Faith, his band with Ginger Baker and Stevie [Winwood]. Those guys would take their limos, private jets and stuff, but Eric traveled with us on our funky bus. In the back, Delaney [Bramlett] would try to teach him how to strengthen his voice, sing out more, how to “call the hogs.” Delaney was from Mississippi, with a lot of farm time. They were doing this hog-calling really loud [laughs]. Eric always credited Delaney with helping his singing.

Jim Clash: You’re a known commodity in the music community. But, as a behind-the-scenes studio guy, not many average rock fans know your name. Does that ever bother you?

Jim Keltner: I’m one who never wanted the spotlight. I’ve been around so many of what I call “geniuses.” Not all of those guys lived to be famous, either. Most want to use their musical gifts to satisfy their souls and to enlighten the world. The Randy Newmans, the Bob Dylans. I know Bob very well. Like John [Lennon], he’s been in the limelight all of his life. He was just a kid when it started. Now I don’t think Bob is uncomfortable in the spotlight, but it’s not something he ever wanted. It just came to him. When it comes like that, how you handle it is key. The cool ones use it wisely. The sad stories are the ones you see all the time, the ones who can’t handle it. For me personally, I’ve been blessed. I’m grateful for the gifts I have, and just to be a part of this whole [musical] thing. You come into this world, live your life and then you’re gone. I’m a strong believer in God. My mama made sure of that. I spend my time on Earth preparing for what’s next. So I don’t want my life to be about how rich I get, or how famous. Those things are fleeting. But there’s nothing wrong with that, either. I don’t resent people’s wealth and fame. Without them, I wouldn’t be able to use my own gifts [laughs].

Jim Clash: I just interviewed Def Leppard’s Rick Allen, who’s involved like you in the “12 Drummers Drumming” charity effort to benefit PTSD victims. As you probably know, Rick lost an arm in a car accident, but has relearned how to drum on a pro level with just three limbs.

Jim Keltner: That’s the heroic part. He’s laid it out there for anybody to follow. God forbid, if you ever find yourself in a similar predicament, read that man’s story. Find out how he got through it. It’s awesome that he’s that guy, and that he’s also giving back with this wonderful charity event.

Jim Clash: You’ve been on so many albums with so many big names. Name one or two you are particularly proud of.

Jim Keltner: That’s one of those questions that’s hard for me to answer. The body of work is just so tremendous. If I mention one, it’s not fair to the others. That said, one of my favorites was back a few years with Mavis Staples, and Ry Cooder producing. We knocked it out of the park. Then there was Randy Newman, who I always loved playing with. He was funny, smart and musically amazing. I won’t go into the names of the songs. Neil Young was another. Eric Clapton, too. Not everybody loves Eric’s blues album, “From The Cradle,” as much as I do. I always felt that it was a really good start to a blues series, and have been hoping that there would be another opportunity to do a blues record with Eric, one where we would still capture the real thing, but even more so. There’s a record I did with Lucinda Williams, I think it was called “Essence,” one of my favorites to play in the studio and then to listen to later.

Jim Clash: The Wrecking Crew, a bunch of studio guys, were famous in the sixties and seventies for redoing parts of songs for known artists, but incognito. Have you played with and/or do you know any of them?

Jim Keltner: Yes, but they were already big-time dudes when I was a kid just starting. Hal Blaine, God bless his soul, was one of my main heroes, as was Earl Palmer. Every chance I got to see or meet them was a huge thrill for me. Hal actually threw me into the deep end for a session early on, and I made it through. That was the beginning for me, knowing that I could handle those kinds of things. Then, when I got calls to play with them - various combinations of the Crew over different periods - I would find myself on different sessions, especially when Phil Spector was producing. So yeah, I pretty much got to know all of The Wrecking Crew. They knew that I didn’t play like Hal - that I could never rise to him, or to Earl Palmer - but they liked what I did, what I brought to the table.


Jim Clash: You had mentioned Ginger Baker earlier. I love how he plays that inverse beat on the Cream classic, “Sunshine Of Your Love.”

Jim Keltner: Ginger was a jazz guy. That’s one of the reasons he didn’t play terribly conventional rock stuff, and that’s what drew me to him. As far as playing on all fours on “Sunshine” – by the way, he didn’t just do that on one song, he did it a lot – it’s African. They don’t necessarily clap on two and four like we do here in the U.S. and in other parts of the western world. Africa is a wonderful source, and Ginger grabbed onto as much of it as he could. “Sunshine” is a perfect example. But it was not only the way he played around the drums, but the way he tuned them, too. Everything about Ginger Baker was really frickin’ cool. It was Afro and jazz, not your normal rock thing. I once talked to Eric [Clapton] about Ginger. He loved him, too.

Jim Clash: Let’s go back to your youth. Who were your biggest influences?

Jim Keltner: My first influence, like a lot of people, was Gene Krupa. Then I discovered Buddy Rich, and went nuts. I didn’t think what he did was possible. Buddy was kind of inhuman, whereas Gene was soulful swing, a beautiful sound. Buddy always pointed that out about Gene. There was no competition. There couldn’t be anyway, because nobody could compete with Buddy, not even today. Later on, I would listen to records not having a clue as to who the drummers were. Eventually, I made a point of finding out. That’s when I discovered that Hal Blaine, who we discussed earlier as part of The Wrecking Crew, had played on a bunch of those records - and Earl Palmer, too. The drums were the key to many of those. When I fell in love with jazz, I learned about Philly Joe Jones, and the records he played on with Miles [Davis], and then Elvin [Jones] with [John] Coltrane. If I had to pick who was most influential to me, I would say Elvin. His playing was a blueprint for all jazz players, which was key to my life. He played so wide. It all comes at you at the same time. You find yourself studying it, playing like it. His [cymbal] ride pattern was completely different from anyone else’s. Again, like Ginger, very African.

Jim Clash: Is there a question I didn’t ask that you want to answer?

Jim Keltner: That’s a good one, but it’s surprised me. My wife has left the room now, so I can say this. She sometimes listens to my interviews and tells me later, “You don’t have to say everything that’s on your mind.” And I know what she means. I do tend to go on. That’s not really a question, but it’s an observation [laughs].


By Jim Clash



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